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Post by BreakForNews on Aug 5, 2005 12:36:10 GMT
To avoid malicious postings, our Blog comments are turned off right now. These people have their own well-funded sites and shrills. We have no intention of turning this site into a platform for them. But for legitimate comments: either: register on this forum & make a post or reply Or : email fintan@breakfornews.com and we will post your comment (anonymously if you prefer) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAILBAG COMMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIA internet fakes ?! You guys have a lot of courage. I have suspected many of these, but others are a complete surprise to me. WOW !!! I am also surprised that YOWUSA.com is not on your list. It certainly is difficult to discern who you can trust. D. West Coast USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAILBAG COMMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You certainly have something, Fintan, but backing your theories with fact is essential. Here's something to help you: The Lincoln Group, psyops specialist, just linked forces with powerful lobbyist BKSH (headed by Charlie Black, ex-spokeman to Bush I, work in Iraq (Chalabi, INC), Iran (Radio Voice Iran), the EU, Yukos (Russian Oil Co) etc.) Both specialise in control of the media, propaganda and especially the middle-east. This comes from the Lincoln Group webiste under work undertaken examples: "Video - National Security Forces" "Our client faced tremendous identity and public confidence issues as they built up their internal capacity to defend and protect their citizens. Lincoln worked alongside the client to develop the film, graphics and narrative required to develop a truthful and compelling visual story of the emerging security forces." and "Competitive Internet Strategy" "Our client faced a growing number of competitors who used web sites, BLOGs and other online tools to develop false and inflated stories which harmed the client's reputation. Our analysts and media experts developed recommendations to counter the online threat and continued to monitor the internet for new messages. Our development team developed a professional online resource which effectively conveyed our client's message and countered false rumors and stories posted by the competition." That should strengthen your case. All the Best. A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAILBAG COMMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You missed one which I KNOW is an intelligence disinfo project--dailykos.com. It's ass deep in policing of anything resembling the truth and in fact Kos openly PURGED people after they began to post diaries speculating that London was an inside job. This makes me wonder about you... Chris in California ------------------ Fintan Replies ------------------ Hi Chris, Well we said it was not a full listing. We are just giving people a manageable list which shows the scope of the disinfo network. Not everybody made the cut for the shortlist. But you are so right, Kos should have been there. Especially as we published this article -just weeks ago: WagNews: Daily Kos Outs Itself as Controlled Media wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/daily-kos-outs-itself-as-controlled.htmlSo don't wonder if it was a deliberate omission. We nailed them already. But consider them lined up for the next updated list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAILBAG COMMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fintan - Couldn't post this comment on BFN as I don't have a blogger profile. No more anonymous comments allowed? Can't say I blame you. Some awful agitators showing up lately. Anyway, here's what I tried to post earlier:That explains your break from Merklinger. Was a 'mystery' to me up to this point. Perhaps, in contrast, you might post a list of 'safe' sites outside this domain to gather information as well? Just a thought. Thanks, as always, for the excellent analysis. B. |
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Post by Cranntara on Aug 5, 2005 14:07:08 GMT
You must've pressed a few buttons with this article, Fintan! I posted it out FIVE times today and not one of them reached their destination. ECHELON must be working extra-hard today ;^)
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Post by BreakForNews on Aug 5, 2005 15:37:44 GMT
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Post by mcurb on Aug 5, 2005 22:04:20 GMT
Fintan,
I agree that there is much disinformation out there; however, you must let me know just how Daniel Hopsicker became a witting or unwitting shill for the 911 cover-up?
I watched as Hopsicker cut Ruppert loose - not an easy thing to do considering how they along with Kris Millegan and Catherine Austin Fitts used to do presentations together on the CIA-DRUGS angle.
I think that since 911, I have gone from LIHOP to MIHOP.
I really do not have the resources to perform investigations myself. so I read what all the contributors put out there and then kind of evaluate it for myself.
Lately I have become fascinated by Webster Tarpley's material. He is quite the historian - his research into the venetian influence in England and the rule of the oligarchies is seminal and cogent. His SYNTHETIC TERRORISM book gives you insight into the way governments secretly use terrorism to execute policy.
I know I have been critical of you in the past, but I have stopped. Instead, I really would like to know how you arrived at some of your conclusions as to who is a CIA shill.
Perhaps you can help me by directing my attention to who you believe to not be a CIA shill. I think that is a much smaller list and, with the exception of yourself, it
may be non-existent.
Am I wrong in assuming that you are that "honest man" for whom Diogenes was looking? Or is there some kind of cumulative deleterious mental effect to the habitual use of Neem?
Mark Urban
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Post by BreakForNews on Aug 5, 2005 23:07:40 GMT
Hi Mark, Habitual use of Neem sharpens the brain, believe me. lol We will have an audio show [working on it now] which will answer some of the questions you raised. It's hard to distill three years of watching carefully every article, every word. But try this anyway: You said: I watched as Hopsicker cut Ruppert loose - not an easy thing to do considering how they along with Kris Millegan and Catherine Austin Fitts used to do presentations together on the CIA-DRUGS angle.If the agency wants to cover it's flank on the drugs issue, the people doing that job are going to be saying the CIA is up to it's ass in the drugs biz. That's how you place a primary flank defender. The job of the flank defender is to bring out enough allegations to keep the crowd happy. No more , no less. Certainly not anything that could be a serious liability. The flanker is going to be saying exactly what you want to hear. Now take a look at the list of people who supported the 911Truth.org declaration. Remembering that already John Gray of 911Truth.org is linked to Kashoggi money [by Hopsicker!] :
9/11 Truth Statement
Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11
NEW YORK CITY, NY (Oct. 26, 2004) - An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 today announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur.
The Statement supports an August 31st Zogby poll that found nearly 50% of New Yorkers believe the government had foreknowledge and "consciously failed to act," with 66% wanting a new 9/11 investigation.
Focusing on twelve questions, the Statement highlights areas of incriminating evidence that were either inadequately explored or ignored by the Kean Commission, ranging from insider trading and hijacker funding to foreign government forewarnings and inactive defenses around the Pentagon....
The Statement's list of signatories includes notables spanning the political spectrum, from Presidential candidates Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, and David Cobb to Catherine Austin Fitts, a member of the first Bush administration, as well as Washington veterans like Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Other signers range from peace activists like Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans and Global Exchange's Kevin Danaher to former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, Edward L. Peck; from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins to business leaders such as Paul Hawken and Karl Schwarz, CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies; from populist journalist Ronnie Dugger to renowned investigative reporter Kelly Patricia O'Meara.
The Statement also includes 43 noted authors, including New York Times #1 bestseller John Gray, as well as 18 eminent professors, historians, and theologians. Other notables include five-term Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney...
www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633
That statement is worth reading again and again. Look at the names and the companies. See where they come up elsewhere. I will broadcast about this. You said: I think that since 911, I have gone from LIHOP to MIHOP. Good move. |
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Post by Hawkwind on Aug 5, 2005 23:08:46 GMT
Hey Fintan,
Its a little confined in here ... there is a bit of an echo ... hello ... hello ... hello ......... :-)
Just a little strange humor for these strange days. You know I have always been a pain in the ass over the question of "how do I know when I'm being duped"? With your current postings and actions, I think I'm starting to figure it out for myself ... thank you very much. We've often discussed the flame wars going on, in the so-called "alternative" media and I've always known that its been deceptively staged. Not unlike the current rash of internet outages, conveniently inserted into the programming of other "alternative" sites. I must admit I was drawn in at first, but not anymore!
The fog is lifting and the learned confusion is becoming unlearned, clear skies ahead! I just wanted to thank you for the moments of clarity. Give my love to Kathy!
Peace,
Glen
PS Let this new cyber landscape be a home for the burning passion for truth, not a new home for old flames! :-) OK, you can break the champagne bottle now ... hello ... hello ... echo ... :-)
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Post by kathy on Aug 6, 2005 0:07:57 GMT
Hi Glen Are you sure you're not an Eagle with that vision of yours? : ) Remember this?: All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king. I guess there is an echo down here in Middle Earth ;D Frodo: "I can't do this, Sam."
Sam: "I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo, the ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. 'Cause sometimes you didn't want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How can the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end it's only a passing thing. A shadow even darkness must pass. A new day will come and when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.
Those were the stories that stayed with you, that meant something even if you were to small to understand why.
But I think Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folks in those stories had lots of chances in turning back only they didn't. They kept going because they were holding on to something."
Frodo: "What are we holding onto, Sam?"
Sam: "That there's some good left in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for." Peace and love Kathy |
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Post by Brian on Aug 6, 2005 2:26:32 GMT
Would you care to explain how the following got onto your list
Xymphora, riverbendblogger(an iraqi girl), globalresearch.ca, blackboxvoting, kurtnimmo,rigorousintuition, prisonplanet,whatreallyhappened....
Isnt this sort of list suspiciously similar to the sort of list put out by McCarthy? While you may dispute peoples opinions, putting them on a black list based on nothing more substantial than ideological disagreement will have a backlash on your site, and raise the querstion: is Dunne paranoid, or is he the real covert op?
Brian
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Post by guest on Aug 6, 2005 14:09:50 GMT
It's rather trite and solipsistic to claim you're the only one with the truth...
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Post by VA Boy on Aug 6, 2005 17:28:06 GMT
Pardon the query, but please list the "real" sites. Thanks.
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Post by Nebgreen on Aug 6, 2005 17:41:02 GMT
To place whatreallyhappened.com and prisonplanet.com on this list proves one thing very, very well---jealousy of the fact that these guys have their facts straight, while you, Mr. Dunne, are simply another annoying detractor who has not the truth. These men use mainstream media to bolst their evidence, and their facts cannot be refuted by any truly reasonable and alert individual. Nice try, Fintan.
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Post by ricochet on Aug 6, 2005 18:20:22 GMT
Mr. Dunne, thanks so much for putting up the sites. Now I know to believe them, not yours! I became suspicious of your agenda a long time ago, but your article on fakes made me delete your site from my favorites. I went back to your site and archives, and found no mention of Israel, zionists, neocons,AIPAC, or any of the usual suspects in your article headings. I now am sure of your agenda. Thank you for opening my eyes to see who you really work for.
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Post by guest on Aug 6, 2005 19:25:10 GMT
yes I agree with Ricochet. I was always suspicious of Mr. Dunne in the past, but this now proves to me who he is really working for.
It's rather trite and solipsistic to claim you're the only one with the truth...
Remember when you point the finger at others 3 of those fingers are pointing back it you !
Fintan Dunne's website is now at the top of my CIA fakes list !
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Post by tj on Aug 6, 2005 20:57:37 GMT
Well, well, well... The “flames” are now incoming…  But why? How? And from whom? 
Please note that Fintan & Kathy have been building the case to prove a massive fake-opposition internet PsyOp since one (1) week after 9/11.  Most of their stories are still available on www.BreakForNews.com and on www.WagKingdom.com.
Before assuming that Fintan & Kathy’s “David” is in the wrong and that the myriad of alternative, seemingly-independent but semi-orthodox internet “Goliaths” are in the right, then you may want to read those stories and to investigate these issues for yourself. 
Don’t believe Fintan & Kathy! Do your own research. The unfortunate part about the research results, however, is that you may well conclude (after your research) that this may well be an unorthodox battle of an internet “David versus Goliath.”  ;D
Rather than aiming our slings, rocks, arrows, and flames at some of the somewhat minor errors that Fintan & Kathy have made (and there are some, IMHO), shouldn’t we follow the facts, follow the logic, follow the money, do the “Who Benefits?” analysis – and take appropriate action? 
Is there ANY possibility that 9/11 could have been executed without an internet PsyOp plan?
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Post by Hawkwind on Aug 6, 2005 21:06:16 GMT
TJ,
You are correct. Fintan and Kathy are trying to shake up/wake up independent thought. One of the greatest miscalculations we've made, was to "hang our hats" on the peg of Goliath. At the end of the day, we have mistakenly supported the largely symbolic actions of our sleazy spokesmen. I guess at heart, we are all lazy and a little sleazy. We would rather let someone else do the thinking for us and voluntarily take communion from the pulpit of their self serving "churches of truth".
Like any other addictive substance, I reject their government created wafers and blood. At the same time, I will not throw myself on the alter of breakfornews.com. We are all human and full of faults and failures. Truth, is the only "David" and anyone who makes an attempt to point me in the direction of "David" ... is alright with me!
So on that point, I have only empathy for the "guest" agents who will never "get it". My only hope is that they are being paid well for their betrayals.
Peace,
Glen
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Post by Mraloha on Aug 7, 2005 0:22:04 GMT
Gee golly Fintan
I guess you are the only one we can trust, your 'List' has just about everyone in the Truth movement on it.
You are now suspect of what you accuse everyone else of being.
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Post by Brian on Aug 7, 2005 0:24:07 GMT
Where is your evidence Fintan?
I have done my own research thank you. Many of the sites listed are above aboard, and highly critical of the US government, and have acute minds at work in them(Like Michael Chossudovsky of Canada, and Xymphora). But notice, Fintan does not present any evidence against those sites: all he does is make unsubstantiated accusations. The most risible is his claim against Riverbendblogger: the woman blogger in Iraq!
Fintan also makes some mistakes: most noticable is that he ridicules the idea of a new world order of other poseters, while writing the following:
'But it was orchestrated by the highest levels of the US Military and military-industrial complex; on behalf of the national and international politicians, corporates, and moneyed interests.'
So, isnt this the NWO?
I would like Fintan to present his evidence against the sites he names. Or is he satisified to smear? No evidence, will prove either He has fallen off the deep end, or is himself a paid shil
As for those lumpen types who second Fintan, you too should present your evidence, and not your 'i knew it all along' suspicians. you too sound like the followers of McCarthy.
Brian
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Post by BreakForNews on Aug 7, 2005 0:31:21 GMT
It's rather trite and solipsistic to claim you're the only one with the truth... It would be. If I were. But I'm not saying I disagree with the sites listed. I am saying there is a widespread network of sites pushing CIA-generated disinformation -intentionally or not. As part of a coherent plan to cover up 9/11. That plan is itself part of the overall disinfo & control campaign which acts to keep the left running around in ever-decreasing circles -while the War on Terror rolls on. That's what I'm saying. |
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Post by BreakForNews on Aug 7, 2005 0:43:32 GMT
Mr. Dunne, ...I went back to your site and archives, and found no mention of Israel, zionists, neocons,AIPAC, or any of the usual suspects in your article headings. I now am sure of your agenda. No mention of the "usual suspects" Eh? I'd like to point out something that might make you think again. Many people are well aware that false-flag 'terror attacks' are being carried out in the West to garner support for the War on Terror. When these 'attacks' take place, the authorities are quick to attribute them to Islamic terrorists. It's simply a case of blaming "the usual suspects." Now... The U.S., the U.K. and Israel share a nexus of power. They, collaborate in imperial projects. But it seems only one of the three countries is the real "bad guy" -capable of false-flag terrorism, and other dastardly deeds. That's Israel of course. "The usual suspect." Ever think that the intelligence agencies of the other two might be behind the relentless focus on Israel --in order to keep the public's suspicions directed away from themselves? Just a thought. |
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Post by Mraloha on Aug 7, 2005 0:44:30 GMT
You said
That plan is itself part of the overall disinfo & control campaign which acts to keep the left running around in ever-decreasing circles -while the War on Terror rolls on.
That's what I'm saying.
I see, Alex Jones and Paul Watson are really libs.
Now who is it that uses the fake left vs right BS to keep the sheep from getting near the truth?
Keep posting, please
The more you do so, the more it become clear who you really are
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Post by That Bob Guy on Aug 7, 2005 1:31:28 GMT
Of course all the intel agencies are involved. However, only Israeli intel can impersonate Arab 'terrorists'. As a matter of fact, they're THE experts at it.
Zionists invented modern terrorism, for crying out loud. Leopards don't change their spots.
If you get a moment, I'd also like to see a list of sites that you consider 'real'.
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Post by brtian on Aug 7, 2005 2:40:51 GMT
'That plan is itself part of the overall disinfo & control campaign which acts to keep the left running around in ever-decreasing circles -while the War on Terror rolls on.
That's what I'm saying.'
And you may be right, but unless you present the evidence, then its just your idea. So now youve smeared those sites, its up to u to provide the evidece behind your accusation
Brian
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Post by guest on Aug 7, 2005 4:33:09 GMT
Solipsism
1. The theory that the self is the only thing that can be known and verified.
2. The theory or view that the self is the only reality.
Fintan Dunne what the bleep does he know ?
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Post by your mom on Aug 7, 2005 4:55:35 GMT
Fintan Dunne is a joke !
One minute he is writing over the top articles like "Alex and Me" comparing Michael Moore's move to Alex Jones' movie. (like comparing apples to oranges).
The next minute he is telling you that Alex Jones website is a CIA Fake.
The bottom line is NEEM sales must be down and Dunne is looking for pathetic ways to make his hit counter spin !
Nice try dude, but we see through you, and know who you work for.....
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I'm jealous -- at least about being a "maniac." In an insane world, only the crazy people are sane... 
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, you are doing us a service by beginning to make such assertions in the manner in which you are making them.
But why? How? And from whom? 
